The Hilarious Performance Of The Indian Government
The Indian media is playing exactly the same role as the U.S. media did in 2001. Some Indian channels have begun showing the Indian flag and patriotic songs, all of which makes it look like as if this is yet another ‘well anticipated’ war against terror. Or against Pakistan. But the best part is the response of the Indian government and military. Simply hilarious.
By ATIF
Friday, 28 November 2008.
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—I watched this drama all night on eight different satellite news channels and noticed how pathetic and incompetent Indian government and security really is.
There is a total chaos in this city, Mumbai, and even the media doesn’t know what to tell the people. One minute they say, ‘they are all Pakistanis’, and then go, ‘Oh no! Wait, they are “DeccanMujahedeen ”’ and then say, ‘Wait! It’s too early to say …’!
Another bullshit you see is that the Taj Hotel perhaps has 1000+ rooms and is so huge surrounded by commandos and all security forces and yet 4 to 5 terrorists continue to hold it for so long.
No mater how super these men might be, 4-5 people simply can not hold such a huge building hostage. So WHAT IS THE INDIAN GOVERNMENT HIDING?
If the Indians admit that there are several dozen perhaps even hundreds of people involved in this then it would be very hard to sell this lie that these are terrorists and spy agents who came from Pakistan.
I did not see a single helicopter in the air or any attempt by the Indian security forces to go on the roof and/or surround the hotel. Are they scared or is it that India simply does not have an air force?
Indian commandos arrived. These commandos were disembarking from trucks, holding truck railings at the back and then jumping out, almost like old crumbled men. I saw few of them standing on one hip holding their hands, one of them hiding behind blockades.
So this was the level of Indian security and military response. Now about some other observations:
HOSTAGE:
Apparently foreigners and Jews have been taken hostage but this was not admit publicly to the media until 23 hours later. Why would suicide bombers and terrorists hold hostages? Why not simply finish them off if they have really come to die?
India’s Mumbai is well known to be owned by the underworld, known in India as ‘bhai loag’ [roughly translated Brother People]. These terrorists are so good they managed to kill so many including top Anti-Terrorism Force official who happened to be an officer of RAW, the Indian intelligence agency.
But the Indians are stupid. Instead of admitting their failure to control these gangs of smugglers and thugs they are blaming their usual and favorite scapegoats, A.K.A. Islamic Militants and Pakistan.
The fact will be established eventually that there already appears to be a much deeper conspiracy in all this tragic event.
But the Indian media is playing exactly the same role as the U.S. media did in 2001. Some Indian channels have begun showing the Indian flag and patriotic songs, all of which makes it look like as if this is yet another ‘well anticipated’ war against terror.
Which in fact may turn into a war against Pakistan at its height or war against Muslims in India at the least.
For how long will the world continue to fall in this trap?
There are several gains Indian will get from this act:
1- Election of Radical Hindu Nationalist Party
2- Passage of an Indian version of Patriot Act (against Muslims)
3- A Possible Indian attack on Pakistan [although the Indians don’t have the guts to go that far]
4- Possibility of Indian lobby forcing United States to put sanctions on Pakistan by fabricating false evidence involving Pakistanis in this.
Which is really easy for India. They can come up with a few Pakistanis from Indian jails, handing them weapons and produce dead bodies of Pakistanis from these places.
Atif is an avid Pakistani blogger. He can be reached at atif98@yahoo.com
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The horrible carnage in Mumbai is sending depressing messages about the realities of the present age of terror.
I lived about a mile from the Taj. I worked for an engineering firm and freelanced as a copywriter for advertising agencies in Mumbai. Every time I got a new gig, I would celebrate by going to the Taj for a buffet or a breakfast.
For a 23 year old, it was a thrill to be able to afford the atmosphere of the Taj. To me it was a place where aspirations found their destination. In those days, my wife to be was also a management trainee at the Taj. We met later however. For both of us the Taj embodied the memories of youthful excitement and hopeful beginnings.
Now those memories have forever been clouded by the madness that raged this past week.
We pray for those who have lost family members and wish the city back to its glamorous best.
The horrible carnage in Mumbai is sending depressing messages about the realities of the present age of terror. The first message is from the terrorists – “we have no moral conscience; in our pursuit of what we think is justice we will not balk from any form of evil that one can imagine”. The horror of this message is compounded by the daring and the spectacular fashion in which the operation was carried out. The terrorists are determined, brazen, motivated and were in middle school when 9/11 happened!
The second reality is a verdict on the complete and utter failure of the wars on terror that the U.S. and its allies have been waging since 2001. If this is what the terrorists are capable of after being incessantly hounded by the world’s major powers, then we should be preparing for a bleak future indeed.
The wars on terror that are being waged in South Asia have caused too many innocent deaths. The “targeted strikes” by the U.S. have killed hundreds of civilians in South Asia in the past few months. Many people are being tortured by law enforcement agencies. People have lost families, homes and businesses in riots by murderous gangs often protected by the government. And governments continue to avoid addressing root causes such as Palestine and Kashmir.
Increasingly abuse of Islam, its values, its history and its symbols is being used as a weapon in the war on terror and this too continues to win more recruits for the extremists. All the above in conjunction with religious extremism contribute to more egregious forms of terror.
This is a wakeup call. There must be a significant rethinking in how we confront the challenge of terrorism. Current strategies have generally failed but for a few successes. The Saudis for example, have succeeded in reducing terror inside Saudi Arabia through dialogue and re-education of youth. In Iraq the U.S. won over the Iraqis – the so called sons of Iraq — who had joined Al Qaeda through dialogue and political and monetary incentives. Why can’t the same creative approach be brought to South Asia?
In India even those who combat hate are often consumed by hate. Pragmatism evaporates when hatred reigns. But the U.S. and NATO can try an alternative to their current failed approach.
The final question this carnage poses is to all Indians – Muslims and Hindus alike. What kind of India do they want? India is on the verge of a historical breakthrough. At its current rate of growth it will soon be a developed nation and a major world power. But in order to sustain the growth it needs internal stability. Without internal stability it will become a land of contradictions, always on the verge but never really there.
India will need to improve its ability to deal with terrorist threats. Intelligence gathering and operational performance are not on par with the threats it faces. It must also work to restore the faith of Indian Muslims in the state so that they work with it rather than against it. If another riot in which thousands of Muslims are slaughtered, as they were in Mumbai in 1992-93 and in Gujarat 2002, is allowed by the government then needless to say there will be more alienation and more radicalization of Indian Muslims and the problems will only grow.
Finally, India must find the way to work with Pakistan without resorting to another war that will only make matters worse. Rejecting outright President-Elect Obama’s recent offer to send President Clinton as a mediator to resolve the Kashmir conflict is not a commitment to peace. India is eager for U.S. support and intervention in every other matter, why not in the case of Kashmir?
NARIMAN HOUSE STORY
BEFORE THE ATTACKS:
The drama started weeks before the terrorist attacks – at a Jewish residential complex
In Mumbai run by the Chabad-Lubavitch ultra-orthodox movement.
From CBC News (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation)
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2008/11/28/mumbai-attacks.html
“In a telephone interview with CBC News from outside the centre, freelance journalist Arun Asthhana said there are reports that some of the militants had stayed at a guest house there for up to 15 days before the attacks.
“They had a huge mass of ammunition, arms and food there,” Asthhana said.
That some stayed there before the attacks seem no longer in question. Later news reports state that the terrorists came to Nariman House posing as Malaysian students and were given lodging. Why Ultra-orthodox Jews would give lodging to these unknown Malaysian Muslim students is baffling; they could have been ‘terrorists’. After all they did not know them.
However, it is well known that those housing quarters are rented only to religious Jews passing through Mumbai, so much so that the Indian Police wanted to know why they were rented to non-Jews in this instance.
From Times of India
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Mumbai_locals_helped_us_terrorist_tells_cops/articleshow/3774106.cms
“Police are trying to find out how Nariman House rooms were given to non-Jews. Police has taken all the records books of for verification”
Guardian of UK
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/mumbai-terror-attacks-terrorism2
“Locals said the owners of Nariman House was a Jewish Israeli family who rented out flats to other religious Jews.”
Food ordered in:
From Mid-Day News (MID-DAY is a 28 year old well respected media establishment in Mumbai):
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/nov/281108-Nariman-House-terror-hub.htm
“The role that Nariman House is coming to play in this entire attack drama is puzzling. Last night, residents ordered close to 100 kilograms of meat and other food, enough to feed an army or a bunch of people for twenty days. Shortly thereafter, the ten odd militants moved in, obviously, indicating that the food and meat was ordered, keeping their visit in mind, another cop added.”
DNA INDIA is another well-established, well-known Indian Media house.
They reported:
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1209852
“The terrorists came to Colaba on Wednesday evening,” Mukund Shelke, who runs a grocery shop at Colaba Market, said. “Before barging into Nariman House, they had purchased adequate food to last them at least three days,” he said.
“They had purchased around two crates of chicken and liquor worth Rs25,000 from two shops in Colaba,” another resident Joseph D’Mello said.
Here the quote says that “they” had purchased the food, and from the text, which would be a translation of the eyewitness account, it would suggest that the terrorists did the shopping. But the policeman’s report and quote is more credible because any group of terrorists going to take over a place during a city-wide attack would not stop to do shopping first, selecting meat, and liquor and other items, unless of course they were right at home.
The Attacks Start:
According to a changing and shifting narrative all attackers came in by boats.
Why they did not stay in Mumbai after spending days scouting the place is unknown. That would have made much more sense. Maybe the commanders came in just in time for the operation.
It is now being reported that they landed and split into groups with two men going to the office of the ultra-orthodox Jewish group Chabad-Lubavitch which runs Nariman house. There they supposedly held an unknown number of persons hostage, while killing some.
However, eye-witnesses, and the earliest reports, state that all the men from the boat went straight to the Nariman House complex before dispersing to carry out attacks.
From Mid-Day News
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/nov/281108-Nariman-House-terror-hub.htm
“Mumbai: India’s financial capital, Mumbai seems to be going through its longest night for the last two days. Wednesday, 9.40 pm, the affluent south Mumbai was struck by terrorists, at 12 different locations, including the VT station, a hub for all railway trains, to two of the most luxurious hotels, Taj Mahal and Oberoi Trident.
24 hours later, the attention has riveted to these hotels, and a tiny nondescript building, barely a few meters away from the Taj Mahal hotel. Housing a five-storied guest house for Israeli nationals, this building is turning out to be the ‘den’ for the militants.
“I saw 6 to 7 boats coming in on Wednesday evening and about ten people unloaded many bags from these boats and then gradually took them into the building, Nariman House’, Vitthal Tandel, a fisherman in the area said. “The building has many rooms and these are used as guest houses by travelers, largely Israeli residents. None of us know what their names are”, he said.
“Virendra Ghunawat, a television journalist who has been tracking the Nariman House shootout since the time it took place Wednesday night, said even the cops have been cagey about details”.
From the Guardian of UK
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/mumbai-terror-attacks-terrorism2
“They came by sea, on a small skiff, and made their way in the dark through the narrow streets of old Colaba to the six-storey apartment building called Nariman House. There they stayed – an unknown number of mystery gunmen who besieged the building from the inside.”
From The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/world/asia/29tock.html?bl=&ei=5087&en=c7382f26209af6ce&ex=1228194000&pagewanted=all
“When the terrorists landed in front of Mr. Dhanur’s boat, they were just three blocks straight down a narrow lane from Nariman House, a five-storey building housing a Jewish center run by a young Rabbi, Gavriel Holtzberg, and his wife, Rivka, who had moved from New York.
But the attack does not appear to have started there. According to India’s Home Ministry, the first shots were fired at the train station, and soon after that at the Leopold Café.”
The account of eyewitnesses and the earliest reports are very clear. The ‘terrorists’ went into Nariman House. Later reports keep insisting that they ‘stormed’ the house.
What did they look like?
At least some of the terrorists were fair-skinned foreigners.
From the Guardian of UK
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/27/mumbai-terror-attacks-india4
“One police officer who encountered the gunmen as they entered the Jewish centre told the Guardian the attackers were “white””
“I went into the building late last night,” he said. “I got a shock because they were white. I was expecting them to look like us. They fired three shots. I fired 10 back.”
Now, Indians know fair skinned Indians and Pakistanis. They meet them every day, especially in Mumbai, where all the upper class Indians congregate. Indians know foreigners and they call Americans and Europeans “foreigners” or “white”. It is easy for an Indian to tell the difference between a fair skinned Indian or Pakistani and a “foreigner”
Other eyewitnesses at other locations also describe the terrorists as “foreign” or fair skinned.
From the BBC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/south_asia/7752625.stm
Then, the “foreign looking, fair skinned” men, as Mr Mishra remembers them, simply carried on killing.
“They did not look Indian, they looked foreign. One of them, I thought, had blonde hair. The other had a punkish hairstyle. They were neatly dressed,” says Mr Amir.
While at the Nariman House:
Celebrations:
From DNA India
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1209852
“Some residents claimed that the suspects were keeping track of the police’s movements through a television in Nariman House.
“When the news of top police officials getting killed flashed in the television, we heard loud noises from the flat. It seemed they were celebrating,” Anand Raorane, a resident in a building opposite Nariman House, said.”
Some in India claim that the terrorists were targeting some of India’s top anti-terrorist officers, and indeed a number of top officers including Hemant Karare, who were in the process of investigating an explosive case of terrorist activities by army officers and politicians, were killed. It is very strange that these exceptionally experienced men would so easily be killed. Some reports say they were ambushed. It was at the time that the news of these men’s demise was announced that sounds of celebration came from the Chabad office.
The Arrrest of Israeli Security Officer
While the standoff between the security forces and the terrorists in Nariman House was going on an Israeli ‘security officer’ at the Israeli consulate close by was arrested while running to the scene.
From the Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702378439&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FS
“The security officer at the Israeli consulate in Mumbai was arrested by Indian police as he raced toward the Chabad House last Wednesday after Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg telephoned to say it was under attack.”
Was this ‘attack’ referring to attack by the terrorists or by security forces? It is not clear as yet. The officer was released from jail a few hours later according to the Jerusalem Post.
Also India continuously refused Israeli offers to help with the crisis:
http://www.zeenews.com/world/2008-11-28/487051news.html
“Jerusalem, Nov 28: India has turned down an offer by Israel to send its Crack Commandos to Mumbai, where a Jewish centre has been taken over in the terrorist attack which have claimed so far over 160 lives, media reports said here.”
The Nanny and the rescue of the two-year old Moshe Holtzberg.
As the standoff progressed, the nanny of the two-year old child of Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, Sandra Samuel, came running out with the little boy. Whether he was the subject of a daring rescue or was sent out by his parents is unclear. The dizzying array of reports, many contradicting the others, that describe this incident leaves the question unanswered. Only when police question the nanny would this be resolved.
The number of hostages and terrorists at Nariman:
According to recent police reports there were fifteen terrorists in all who came by boat.
From TIMES ONLINE
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5265938.ece
“At least five terrorist gunmen might have escaped the carnage in Mumbai and could strike again, it emerged yesterday as a video surfaced showing the capture of the gang’s sole known surviving member.”
“However, a hijacked Indian fishing boat used by the gunmen had equipment for 15 men on board when it was discovered adrift – suggesting that several gunmen could still be at large.”
“Fifteen winter jackets were found, fifteen toothbrushes,” a police source said. “That more terrorists are loose is possible.”
Again there are conflicting reports on the number of terrorists and possible hostages that were in Nariman House. At the end of the seige by security forces, there were six bodies of hostages found. Some reports insist five bodies were found plus two alleged terrorists. This will remain unclear until Indian security personnel who conducted the raid tell their stories.
It would seem from many eyewitness reports and local media that as the standoff continued, there were only two ‘hostages’, the Rabbi and his wife, and the rest were terrorists.
From DNA India
http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1209852
“The six terrorists who have made an Israeli family hostage at Nariman House building in Colaba can battle with the security agencies for at least three days without having to worry about food, local residents claimed on Thursday.”
From Yahoo News
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081128/wl_time/08599186266100
“From the vantage point of three Black Cat snipers watching the building, I could see Nariman House’s shattered windows. The couple who own the building are Jewish, giving rise to rumors throughout the day that “Israelis” were somehow involved in the attacks. The other people in the building, including an infant wearing a pink bonnet and green blanket, were held as hostages but released early Thursday.
The last person to leave, a young woman, told authorities that the only remaining hostages were the couple, who had made no sound or movement since the night before. By 5 p.m. they were presumed to be dead, and the Black Cat commandos moved in half an hour later, unleashing a volley of gunshots into the building. By 9:30 p.m. local time, the firing was still going on, and it was not clear whether the four to five suspects inside had been killed or captured. “
India’s elite commando squad would surely have a very good idea about the number of people they were dealing with especially after speaking with the young woman and the nanny.
From Mid-Day News
http://www.mid-day.com/news/2008/nov/281108-Nariman-House-terror-hub.htm
” One of the militants called up a television news channel and voiced his demands today, but, interestingly, when he was asked where are they all holed him, he said at the Israeli owned Nariman House and they are six of them here”, one of the investigating cops said. Since morning, there has been exchange of gun fire has been going on and the militants seem well equipped to counter the cops fire. To top it, they have food and shelter. One wonders if they have the support of the residents, a local Ramrao Shanker said. “
Reports at the end of the seige
Fron the New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/29/nyregion/29chabad.html?partner=rss&emc=rss&pagewanted=all
“Jewish Center Is Stormed, and 6 Hostages Die”
“Israeli officials and Lubavitch elders confirmed later that six hostages were found dead inside. They were Rabbi Gavriel Holtzberg, 29, of Brooklyn, and his Israeli wife, Rivka, 28, the Lubavitch emissaries in Mumbai who ran Nariman House; another rabbi from Brooklyn who was living in Israel, Leibish Teitelbaum; Bentzion Chroman, an Israeli with dual American citizenship; an unidentified Israeli woman; and another unidentified woman, according to Rabbi Zalman Shmotkin, a Lubavitch spokesman in Brooklyn , and The Associated Press”.
Two unidentified “hostages” were women. But here is a strange co-incidence. A number of reports and eyewitnesses claim that at least one of the attackers was a woman.
FROM INDIA TIMES
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/3775205.cms
“Mystery woman had accompanied terrorists at Cama”
Quote – ““A man and a burqa clad woman entered from the gate opposite our quarters. The man started firing towards the hospital immediately after entering. Moments before, the woman, in a salwar kameez underneath her burqa, had even tried to enter the hospital by climbing a water pipe. As the man continued firing, the woman, who wasn’t armed, knocked on one of the houses”
also
“The shopkeeper’s friend said, “He told me that when he saw Azam’s picture in Mumbai Mirror on Thursday, he realised it was the same youth who had visited his shop with a woman, who was also young. He mentioned they had been like any other youths.”
“Hostages killed by ‘terrorists’ or by security forces in shoot-out?
The Indian security forces thought that the remaining people in the Chabad house with the possible exception of the Rabbi and his wife were terrorists, and they were in a shoot-out with all these people. Yet reports persist that the ‘terrorists’ killed the ‘hostages’, before they were themselves killed. Some say the hostages were killed the day before. Reports also insist that the security forces killed only two terrorists at Chabad House.
However more recent reports say that the Indian security forces may have killed some of the hostages:
From The Jerusalem Post
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702371655&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Haka Head: Indian forces may have killed some hostages:
“The Indian commando raid launched to save the lives of Jewish and Israeli hostages at Mumbai’s Chabad House may have inadvertently ended the lives of one or more of the hostages, the head of a six-man ZAKA team in the terror-stricken Indian city told The Jerusalem Post on Sunday”.
Any Terrorists Remaining?
Police insist that fifteen terrorists came ashore. Nine are dead and one is in custody. Where are the other five? Where is the woman terrorist?
From Times Online:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/article5265938.ece
“At least five terrorist gunmen might have escaped the carnage in Mumbai and could strike again, it emerged yesterday as a video surfaced showing the capture of the gang’s sole known surviving member.”
Were the missing five the same persons who were killed at Chabad?
Conclusion – What really happened at Nariman House?
Time may eventually tell what really happen at the Chabad House, Mumbai. Indian security service officers may come forward with further information. More information may dispel rumors and speculation that the Israelis at Chabad house were part of the terrorist operation and that the non-white terrorists, all of whom were killed, with the exception of the poster-boy, Ajmal, were the usual patsies.
It will dispel rumors that the four or five ‘hostages’ killed in the center were actually part of the terrorist group and were killed by security forces in the shootout.
The only person who may be able to give an impartial report of what went on at Nariman House would be the Indian nanny, Sandra Samuel. Indian Intelligence would be looking forward to interviewing her when all the confusion ends and when she recovers from the ordeal. Lets hope that the trauma does not lead her to commit suicide or anything like that.
BREAKING NEWS
Breaking News: Nanny going to Israel
From the Jerusalem Post:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1227702371988&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
“The nanny who saved two-year-old Moshe Holtzberg from the attack at Mumbai’s Chabad House on Thursday is expected to arrive in Israel on Monday along with the child, his grandparents and the bodies of his parents, Rabbi Gavriel and Rivka Holtzberg.”
“She expressed a desire to accompany Moshe back to Israel on a special flight sent by the Israel Air Force. The toddler was reunited with his Israeli grandparents, Shimon and Yehudit Rosenberg, on Friday.
Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said on Sunday that her office was working to arrange for Samuel’s arrival in Israel, while the Interior Ministry was considering bestowing upon her the status of “Righteous Gentile,” which would allow her to remain in the country for an extended period of time”.
Breaking: Nanny already in Israel:
From the Indian Express:
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/after-funeral-baby-moshe-leaves-for-israel/392990/
“The orphaned two-year-old baby Moshe and his nanny Sandra Samuel, along with his maternal grandparents, left for Israel tonight in a special Israeli military aircraft from Mumbai.”
BREAKING: Nanny to live in Israel
From The India Telegraph:
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1081202/jsp/nation/story_10193938.jsp
ISRAEL HOME FOR MOSHE NANNY
“Dec. 1: Israel is planning to issue an immigration permit to the Indian nanny who saved two-year-old Moshe Holtzberg while his Jewish parents died in the Nariman House attack.
Foreign minister Tzipi Livni told the cabinet yesterday that her ministry was working to grant the nanny, Sandra Samuel, a residency permit so she could live there.”
Sandra Samuel has made an absolutely amazing and admirable choice, to leave her own family and relatives and go to live in israel with baby Moshe.
To continue with the conclusion:
This terrorist incident will most likely lead to much greater bloodshed unless the true culprits are found and convicted in a court of law. Some analysts say that this event could lead to a new world war.
It would just make plain sense to have kept the nanny in India for a while. India should demand her return soon, so that she could help with the investigation.
Again, to further dispel the rumors of the dead Israelis being part of the operation, autopsies would be conducted on the bodies of the dead including the Israelis at Nariman House. Autopsies would give vital clues as to their role as victims or perpetrators. Forensic science is powerful science today. For example, gunpowder residue on fingers tells a tale.
Lets see what comes of it.
MORE BREAKING NEWS….
BREAKING NEWS
NO AUTOPSIES ON ISRAELI BODIES.
From: The India Telegraph
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1081202/jsp/nation/story_10193938.jsp
“Israel has requested India not to conduct post-mortems on its nationals killed in the Nariman House siege, citing what it said were “privacy and religious reasons”.
“The request for not doing the post-mortem is based on privacy as well as some religious reasons,” an official of the Israeli embassy here said. According to the information with the mission, seven of the nine killed in the attack were Israeli nationals, all of them Jews.”
To continue with the conclusion
Indian journalists are urged to dig into this story with their very lives, because the life of our nation is at stake. India could be dragged into a game on the grand chessboard, and possibly into war with Pakistan and then China, and maybe Russia. In the end there will be only one winner, the superpower which is on the verge of economic collapse, and which can avert complete disaster only by destroying its main competitors, or getting them to destroy themselves.
PS:
The whole Mumbai operation was messy, and if Indian Intelligence agents are really doing their job, there will be need for major distractions very soon. Look out for another attack.
The world is run by 3 city states. They are Washington, DC(military), inner city of London(financial), Vatican(religion/all religion). All religions are like freemasonry. They have a visible part and an invisible part. In the invisible part they worship Lucyfer and know it in the visible part they worship Lucyfer without knowing it.
All “nations”(nations are actually an illusion) are run by the crown(3 city states). Zionism, Jihadism, Christianity, liberal, conservative, dem, rep, “Jew”, “Palestinian”, Arab, “east”, “west”, European, British, Chinese, Russian, etc are all an illusion to keep the masses fighting each other instead of the crown. As long as the masses are divided(the “Jews” did it, the Americans did it, the Russians did it, the Arabs did it) the crown will continue to win.
There are predominately only 2 types of people, the crown(Bush, Blair, Putin, “Jewish” leaders, Arab leaders, Chinese leaders, Obama, Clinton, Gore, Cheney, McCain, Kissinger, Brown, European leaders, Spanish leaders, etc are all their puppets) and the masses(those fighting each other).
All “governments” have and will perform the way the American and Indians “governments” have performed.
‘Armed police would not fire back. – I wish I’d had a gun, not a camera’
From ANI
London/Mumbai, Nov.29: British daily –The Independent – has revealed how a newspaper photographer took an astonishing picture while hiding inside a train carriage as gunfire erupted all around him.
Sebastian D’Souza, a picture editor at the Mumbai Mirror, whose offices are just opposite the city’s Chhatrapati Shivaji station, heard the gunfire erupt and ran towards the terminus.
“I ran into the first carriage of one of the trains on the platform to try and get a shot but couldn’t get a good angle, so I moved to the second carriage and waited for the gunmen to walk by,” he told The Independent.
“They were shooting from waist height and fired at anything that moved. I briefly had time to take a couple of frames using a telephoto lens. I think they saw me taking photographs but they didn’t seem to care.”
He said the gunmen were terrifyingly professional, making sure at least one of them was able to fire their rifle while the other reloaded.
By the time he managed to capture the killer on camera, D’Souza had already seen two gunmen calmly stroll across the station concourse shooting both civilians and policemen, many of whom, he said, were armed but did not fire back.
“I first saw the gunmen outside the station. With their rucksacks and Western clothes they looked like backpackers, not terrorists, but they were very heavily armed and clearly knew how to use their rifles,” he said.
But what angered D’Souza were the masses of armed police hiding in the area who simply refused to shoot back.
“There were armed policemen hiding all around the station but none of them did anything,” he said.
“At one point, I ran up to them and told them to use their weapons. I said, ‘Shoot them, they’re sitting ducks!’ but they just didn’t shoot back.”
As the gunmen fired at policemen taking cover across the street, D’Souza realised a train was pulling into the station unaware of the horror within.
“I couldn’t believe it. We rushed to the platform and told everyone to head towards the back of the station. Those who were older and couldn’t run, we told them to stay put.”
The militants returned inside the station and headed towards a rear exit towards Chowpatty Beach.
“I told some policemen the gunmen had moved towards the rear of the station but they refused to follow them. What is the point if having policemen with guns if they refuse to use them? I only wish I had a gun rather than a camera,” he said.
http://www.dailyindia.com/show/284306.php
Every which way you look for the next few days, Mumbai will be pushed in your face by pairs of ego tripping news presenters, irritating expert pundits who know nothing and of course the staple helping of modern TV, the cowardly droning Politician spouting big talk. To crank up tension between India and Pakistan to the brink of Nuclear War is exactly what the entities behind the scenes in the White House want.
If the people of these two countries do not control their respective leader’s unfounded accusations soon, we can expect border skirmishes and escalation into full blown war. It is worth bearing in mind that both of these countries are a nuclear power.
Here we have another example of the Georgian debacle a few months ago. You can see the same black handed tactics fingerprinted all over the place left by Israeli and American Black Op Agencies.
It is important for people to remember how the MS Media lied to the world on that occasion. On this website from day one we knew Georgia was the aggressor not Russia as was blitzed all over the TV and Press. But it has taken many months until very recently for the MSM to come clean with the truth. Even now they are still vague. The MS Media either hates truth or it scares them. But regarding Georgia, it came to the point where they simply could not lie anymore. The people of South Ossetia were actually there in the flesh, the Media was not.
They were rightly outraged to hear that they were the aggressors when in truth it was Georgian connected entities who did the killing and carried out the massacres. Even as the BBC poured blame on the Russians, stories of horror were emerging from South Ossetia.
Georgian tanks crushing fleeing women and children, grenades tossed into cellars where families hid in terror and other stories like rape and so on that are best not thought about.
The main thing which stemmed from the Georgian chaos was how it was carried out.
Witnesses and survivors alike told us how clinical the operation was. Heavily armed people in combat gear rolled into villages and casually opened fire on defenseless unarmed people. Men, women and children were slaughtered by the invading Special Forces. Russia was asked for help and provided it.
The BBC and other MSM sources eventually tried to slip back into the stinking mire they seem to reside in these days when protests started rolling in. They still will not print or report the true facts. it’s nothing to do with saving face either, it’s all to do with control.
Yet local news sources from the war zone and verified facts would have informed us that amongst the dead executioners were both American and Israeli special forces dressed as Georgian troops. When Russia released that fact and the South Ossetians began to get their stories of horror out, things went pretty quite in the Western Media all of a sudden.
Convenient Lies
The point I am making by bringing these kind of stories to you, is to give you a chance to form your own opinion of the truth by giving you details that our MSM conveniently and often forget.
But to form any opinion of anything, it is always wise to know the other side of the story in order to see the bigger picture.
The very fact that the MS Media suffers from short term amnesia reporting demonstrates that something is being covered up.
In the last slog we discovered that Jewish Hostages were involved in the Mumbai incident. A good reason to think there was more to this story than we are being told. Now as time ticks on and more information from witnesses reaches us, we are hearing some strange stories.
The well armed gunmen were casually dressed like travelers but their rucksacks were full of weapons and ammo instead of clothes and food. They were armed to the teeth and almost identical to the reports from South Ossetia, they casually fired into unsuspecting crowds.
They were very professional too. They split into small groups of twos and threes so while one casually reloaded, there was another still firing to cover him. Terrorists are guerilla fighters and don’t fight with that kind of precision. Special Forces do!
Next we hear how armed Indian police refused to open fire on the gunmen even though people cowering under cover pleaded with them to do something to stop the massacres.
Then we had one Indian official mouthing off lies that one militant was from such a village in Pakistan when in fact the village was actually in India. This man is obviously in on something and will regret his words once the facts are in about this staged managed attack. Hypocrisy too. India herself has militant groups probably more so than Pakistan so do not be surprised by the origin of the attackers.
The rattling of Sabres predicted, is already beginning. India has stepped up to a military War Footing. Pakistan will do the same. Both countries then, will stand on the threshold of something that could easily escalate into a dangerous Nuclear Standoff. A powder keg situation which only needs one spark. Or should we say, a spark like the one we saw in Mumbai.
Expect news of a rash of bombings in both countries flashed across your screen and the term ‘Revenge Attacks’ ringing in your ears.
Suspicion has also arisen about the secretive attitude surrounding the Mumbai Special Forces and who claim to have killed all militants except for one who naturally claims that Pakistan helped train him. Well actually it’s a little more bizarre than that. He claims the Pakistani Navy trained him and his colleagues taught the to sail and swim. I’m sure that any self respecting official armed forces would blatantly and openly train mad militants. All convenient coincidences all the same.
I’m also sure that such highly trained killers who could execute such a mission with so much precision would not openly confess and reveal his groups sources within minutes of being captured. In fact these people would kill themselves first.
Future Leaks
The final part of the puzzle is now coming in to play and the part which prompted me to tell you that there was a lot more to this abnormal story than meets the eye.
Jewish Hostages! If it was not for those words I would not not be writing this slog.
Jewish Hostages! The words should hit you like a sledge hammer. Here we go again. The alleged attackers as far as we know, are still holding hostages in a hotel. The victims are from many nationalities but no details as to where. The only nationality mentioned is once again the hard done to Jew. (The Zionist Jew That Is).
Another thing that fails to gel with me. Hostages? We have always been brainwashed into thinking that Terrorists Kill People. Terror and Fear is the main aim of their propaganda.
Pirates! Now Pirates take hostages as we are seeing now. So why does the Media call them Pirates but the kidnappers in Mumbai Terrorists?
How strange is it that the Jewish Centre, Nariman House which came under attack ordered an unusual amount of food to be delivered only hours before attacks. A lot more than usual. it seems they were expecting a dozen extra guests at the last minute. It has now emerged that the Nariman House Centre has strong Mossad (Israeli Intel/Secret Service) connections.
I’m sure you will have a flash of Psychic inspiration of future news and headlines months before it leaks. The centre will have been used as a safe house and base to launch the Mumbai attacks. That’s why the attackers seem to have appeared from nowhere. News clips parade a small boat that was found abandoned to back up the Pakistani Navy Training Story. When I say small, I mean not large enough to hold more than a dozen men safely. It was more dinghy than boat.
Those of you here can see through the illusion. You have the wisdom to smile and shake your head in disbelief at the comics they try to pass off as newspapers. But what about the blinkered majority who can’t see. The media brainwashed zombies?
Turning Brother Against Brother
In one nation we have Indian folk who being led to believe they have been attacked by an old enemy or at least, factions of the Pakistani Government.
Across the border, we have Pakistani folk who are angry and outraged for being accused of something they did not do by their ancient enemy.
To stir these two ingredients together is to stir up old tensions it has taken so long to pacify. Ancient peoples maybe, but spears and arrows have been replaced with Nuclear Weapons. As mentioned last time, watch carefully. If American statesmen step in and begin to arm India against Pakistan, the world should realize that we have caught the real instigators Red Handed. We have caught them shit stirring with their pants down and the world can witness for itself.
Every person caught with blood on their hands should be arrested and tried for War Crimes. That means right up to Presidents and Prime Ministers, or at least those criminals pretending and posing to be such. It would send a clear and chilling message to their Elite masters once and forever.
In the meantime as tension grows and the media pumps up the fear and tension threshold about Nuclear War, switch off. Realize what a useless thing the media has become.
Use your wisdom. The entities manipulating the dying US giant superpower are desperate for that Afghani Pipeline to progress. Pakistan has now become an integral part of that plan because the Elite Masters of the Universe have failed elsewhere like Iraq, Georgia and other countries you don’t even know about. Russia have them by negotiation while America has bogged themselves down in two wars, soon to be three, Pakistan and then four, Iran.
Sabre Rattling yes, Nuclear War No! The Shadow Elite could not allow such a thing.
A nuclear war in the area would devastate any chances of building pipelines or plundering resources for generations.
It would also create a MAD situation to defeat the whole point. MAD is their term for Mutually Assured Destruction. A no win situation for either side except total devastation of each other.
Barky nOchange, the man of No Change, knows more cannon fodder is needed for the wars that are being instigated by his paymasters. That is why this man from Kenya is already scaring Americans with his Hitler Youth Scheme. He also wants the Reserves as well as his Civilian army? to integrate more with the main forces. However, it shows us that it’s a troops on the ground war rather than a Nuke one.
The Barky O honeymoon with the American people is coming to a rapid end before he’s even in the White House. He recently stunned crowds at a rally when asked exactly what the change was. “Me” he replied “I am the Change!”
Holy Messiah Batman, we’re in the Holybama Sh*t!
I said I did not care for this entity from the moment I set eyes on him. I will enforce that opinion here and now. This is the man who can take America down from a Superpower to a basket case banana republic. Dubya tried it but wasn’t a sharp enough tool.
Please remember that he is not yet officially in power and a lot of water must pass under the bridge until that moment in time. You could say America’s fate now hangs in the balance. You should also remember that a battle for power is taking place outside of the public domain.
Needless to say, there are dangerous game scenarios being acted out. Games that could wrong. What if tensions got out of hand to a point where India and Pakistan squared up to each other and told everybody else to back off and mind their own business?
It is still hard to accept that the Elite never have a back up plan. They assume everything will go to plan and everyone will react exactly the way they want it to. As we have seen in the Middle East, this line of arrogant thought seems to be letting them down.
American Enigma
Whether you love or hate America, whatever the outcome there will affect the majority of the rest world.
I have seen much strangeness in my life. Some things which cannot be explained yet or perhaps never will. But what I see now concerning America is probably the biggest enigma of them all. Especially the speed of events.
I’m sure many here reading this are also surprised at the changing America and are just as gobsmacked at the average American attitude of apathy.
But do not single out the Yanks yet. Do not point the finger of blame in any direction yet. Because if we all wake up and look what is happening at home on our own doorsteps, especially in the UK and Europe, you will see something interesting and unsettling.
The same thing is happening here too. it may not be quite as apparent yet, but it will be in 2009.
When I first noticed the rapid acceleration of decline, I knew two things. One, events were being manipulated. Two, The USA and Great Britain are the testing grounds.
USA because it’s a larger society and who would have thought this madness possible compared to the American Dream.
Great Britain because they are not team players and are stubborn regarding the rest of Europe, ID Cards etc. You name it.
Yes, thought the Elite. If we can crack those two countries by breaking the spirit of their peoples, the rest will follow like lambs to the slaughter.
Did any of you wonder why I altered comparison of the Prediction of the falling dollar?
Although the dollar fell, I warned of more woes to come. So when I brought the Prediction forward to this year to prove only half the Prediction had happened. I could no longer measure the Dollar to the British Pound as before because although the Pound was strong and healthy back then, I could see the end of the rainbow. I’m sure you can see it now also. The British Pound is hovering on the same Abyss as the US dollar.
Again we have two different reasons with exactly the same outcome.
Crash the US Dollar to make way for a new currency called the Amero.
Crash the British Pound to make way for a not so new currency called the Euro.
To put it simply for instance. The politicians know the Brits will never freely vote yes to the Euro or becoming fully integrated with it. Just like the Americans don’t like the idea of a North American Union where they become integrated with Mexico and Canada.
Whichever way you look at it, it is a loss of sovereignty for all countries involved.
In fact, the present acting boss of the EU chair is held by another Euro clone. Barrusso I think, but not interested enough to know. Anyhow, he’s a funny looking man wearing an even funnier wig. Now this guy has recently let slip that the UK is considering joining the Euro! Eh! First I’ve heard of such of a thing.
And let me tell you something else that this hair follicle challenged, wig wearing Turd In A Suit said.
He said the only the ones who are important enough are discussing it (Politicians) and only their decision is what matters.
Here again is a master class in arrogance from the Euro clone puppets of the Elite and further evidence that those we elect to change things for the better have a completely different agenda that is totally opposite to the people.
So how do we make people aware of the double talk, double standards of these creatures posing as leaders? Well I have no answer. I suppose we just wait until the crap hits the fan first for a reaction. But bet your sweet Aunt Sally that sooner or later there will a reaction when things begin to get tough with no sign of respite in sight.
To Indians And Pakistanis
To my visitors in India and Pakistan. To those of you relatives here in the UK, circulate this message to both your countries.
“Do not fall for this NWO Elitist trip. They are trying to get you to devastate each other so they can pillage your resources like they are doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.
This man who leads India now is a traitor. He is in the pocket of the US agencies. And if he denies or defends his actions of blowing things out of proportion before the full evidence and proof of his claims are justified, then he is in no state of wisdom or mind to qualify leading a flock of sheep let alone a Nation.
Send a stark and clear message to him and his acolytes. No Proof.. No War.. Your Fired!”
Anyone Indian politician to quick to point a finger at Pakistan before all the proof is in is blatantly a warmongering mouthpiece of the Elite. A few of them will expose themselves during this strange event, they’ve blown it. Next step, arrest them, try them and hang them for attempted instigation of false war and attempted murder of millions.
Tell them Levi sent you.
Finally a little question of wisdom. If the Indian Government insists Pakistani Terrorists are to blame… so immediately put the Military on a war footing with Pakistan the country… Then have not the terrorists won?
Peace – Levi
The truth will out. The truth about 9/11 took time to get out, but we had we were pretty sure it was Al Qaeda. I believe the greater question here is that if India or the American and British investigative teams find definitive ties between the Decca Mujaheddin or whoever these nut jobs were and Pakistan, what action will India take? If such ties are made and they have proof the the Pakistani government did not attempt to stop the terrorists inside Pakistan, India will be justified in invading Pakistan just as we invaded Afghanistan.
The comments about India’s military incompetence makes a nice smokescreen. If they are so incompetent, how is it that they moped the floor with Pakistan in ‘47 and ‘99 and were only kept from doing the same in ‘65 and ‘71 by a UN mandated ceasefire? If they invade you now, they will own you again.
I agree with you on the reaction. The government will want to deflect blame just as the US government did. I hope that India learns from the lessons of 2001 and the mistakes that we made. No good has come from the Patriot Act. Violence begets more violence and repression creates only anger and frustration.
There must be a better way because the cycle of violence must end.
I agree with Atif’s assessment. I saw footage of Indian police cowering in the terminus as the Mujahideen or whoever they were rampaged about, slaughtering at will. Then when the “elite Black Cat commandos” arrived, they looked about as organized as a monkey shit fight at the zoo. The perpetrators of this operation humiliated the Indians before the world, and exposed their incompetence. What a joke!
A human rights group wrote in a report on the Gujarat riots: “Even if a fraction of the incidents on Gujarat was true – which it definitely is – an ordinary Indian would be ashamed to say that he lives in a country where such things happen.”
From my point of view it all happened because of Gujarat carnage done by Mr Modi few years back when on his directions the Gujarat rioters killed more then ten thousand Muslims in the state.
I want to ask you one question if anybody’s family members (Father, Mother, Brother, Sister, Wife, Son, Daughter or friend) would have been killed, Raped, Chopped or burned alive in front of him. will he forget all that in his whole life, I guess he never wanted to live any more in such a World and if remain alive he will live like a dead man who has no wishes but want to take revenge and die. What if anybody chopped anybody’s pregnant wife’s abdomen and bring out the child from her womb and hang it on sword to show all others including him and says look this was suppose to become a next generation Muslim but we chopped him even before coming to this world.
There may be more than thousand such persons with such a sad story and they always think of how to take revenge before going to meet there beloved ones (that is y they become fedayeen (suicide attackers) they may just need a single motivation from any terrorist group to do anything to fulfil his wish of revenge)
When the story broke and during the siege, they released one photo of an alleged terrorist making his heroic way, pots, pans, kitchen sink and all. Enter the brave Indian commandos (time-off from their busy call centres?). Then, all, terrorists dead, only one captured alive. And lo and behold, he is Mr Kitchen sink, pots and all, singing like a canary.
They also had a nice video pic of the ‘terrorists’ who attacked London trains on 7/7. And the attackers of 9/11 of course had identity documents strewn all over the show, and a flight manual handily left in their hired car. The only snag there is that the jumping Israelis tyhere wouldn’t share with us their video pictures. They were just sent back like bad boys to Israhell.
Did those Indian sepoys find any identity cards, Pakistani documentation, home addresses among the wreckage? Ho-hum.
This is sad. Human lives have been lost. What do they care? By way of deception shall they bring, out of chaos, a World Order.
nice work mate
few things i will like to add
1. if these terrorists came from sea route ..in rubber boats ? what was indian navy doing ? where ws it
2. where was police when they started shooting in train station and then took a walk towards dining area i.e hotels
3. why would some stupid suiciders take hostage?
4. why is indian ignoring its complete intelligenc failure ….altough they say that we had reports…well these reports are not meant to be used as toiled papers ..if you had reports what did u do to stop that rampage.
4. why all those officers who died were those who were investigating hindu extremist parties involvement in earlier riots and killings.
5. why was bjp happy over this incident.
6 how come L.K Advani was the first person to blame pakistan even before any one knew how many terrorists were there.
7. if it took 60 hours for those BRAVE BLACK CATS to get rid of 12 men , what will happen if they come accross professional armies.
8- why wasnt dead bodies of those terrorists shown to public ..may be some one can recognize them in india and tell every one that they are hindus.
9- look at wrist bands ( orange/red) of those terrorists….these are religious bands worn by hindus not by muslim.
now what india wants from this drama
1- BJP to win elections.
2- to deploy indian troops in afghanistan
3- take even harder action against new kashmiri uprising.
4- put pressure on pakistan to allow us troops in northern area …or indian will bring its troops to afghanistan.
well indians were a coward nation, they are a coward nation and they will always remain a coward nation.
they were beatan by chaina in 1962 , by pakistan in 1965 , they took cover of mukti bahni in 1971 , and were beaten again in 1985 in siachan and 1999 in kargil.
next war ( god forbid if any ) will be end of times for india…..
well well not send our amy ….by will only send 12 men to each city of india……and our job will be done.
cheers
the indian ‘commandos’ looked more like labourers from a local factory… hiding behind cars & crouching behind fences. what a joke. eye witness at the train station even said policemen with guns were hiding behind shadows peeing their pants.
india is a disaster waiting to happen. horrible infrustructure, a nation with a massive lack of common sense. we will never know the truth of what happened because they have now allowed foreign intelligence agencies in to do ‘damage control’
commandos! bahahahahahahah
The inherent weakness of the Indian democracy spawned by a multi religious and further dichotomy within the varied religions and cultures and not least the further confusion by contradictory religious beliefs within the same faiths has just been been rendered even more fragile now that terrorists have exposed the easily penetrable state security mechanisms. A historic crossroad in Indian politics , where much has been exposed to any adversary of the subcontinent
C
“The truth is dead. Long live The Truth.”
My cousin lost her oldest son in the WTC mossad terrorist act. The last thing I would wish is for the horrors perpetrated against Iraq and Afganistan. We know the same satanic forces were in Mumbai.
God will have his vengence on these misfit representatives of the devil once it is exposed to all races and people who has been behind our heartache.
God Bless You All
‘By way of deception Thou shalt do war’
enough said really
Here we go again: Another staged massacre. This one is meant to hypnotize India/Pakistan, well over a billion people.
I find it amazing that the one killer who remained alive (unless there are others?) was the same one whose picture was shown everywhere, almost from the start.
It is surprising that even if the so called ‘terrorists’ were Pakistani trained SSG commandos as alleged by many Indian members, I’m surprised how 12 men could besiege two major hotels for such a long while.
The hold ups were so well planned and executed with such precision!
Were all hotel security measures mere proxies?
Plus, 12 men vs. 1200 Indian security forces (involving everyone from Indian ATF to serving Indian Commandos) – the assault went on for almost 60 hrs!
Wow, isn’t that rather shocking? 12 men vs. 1200 (with all helicopters/equipment etc.)? And yet such a long battle for the takeover by Indian authorities?
Either the alleged Pakistani trained commandos are at least 100 times superior to the combined force of the Indian forces A to Z or this was merely a drama orchestrated by the intelligence agencies in India to achieve ulterior motives in future – (just like the 9/11 was used as the Wild Card by the CIA to attack Afghanistan & Iraq).
Some of which is quite clear and has been repeatedly mentioned and identified by different Pakistani sources.
So here are the two possibilities: If it is proved that these 12 men were in fact Pakistani trained, then Indians should be ashamed of their armed commandos who took 60 hours to clear out 12 men and should accept their inferiority when it comes to real time combat. If not, then Indians need to buckle up for a rough ride. There’s an evil within their country that they’ll have to fight and bring into limelight. RAW, by staging this drama, will indirectly be responsible for the massacre of almost 200 Indian citizens and another 300 casualties just to make way to achieve its hidden motives behind the whole drama.
Let’s see how it unveils.
Good job sir…realy enjoyed it simply off the hook
Just wait for the reports from the investigation agency. truth will be out.
Besides, Faridkot is in India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faridkot
And, today they found Mauritius I.D cards and dollars.