Open Letter To Citizens Of the U.S

2009 October 7

Dear Citizens of United States,

We Pakistanis are ordinary beings like you, having the same dreams, same needs,  ambitions, emotions, reservations and same passion if not more for our country. We like you, to feel the same regret for wars, same grief for the world problems, same distress towards injustice, same hopes for a better tomorrow. We, like you, also fantasize having serene borders, comfortable homes for our children, fine education, some leisure, and a satisfied mind that what we are contributing to this country and the world at large today will benefit us and our future generations tomorrow. We fancy the feeling of living in sheer coziness of our homeland, away from overseas interventions and foreign-extremism in the exact same way as an average American desires.

We didn’t get our independence as a birthday present, we got it after much struggle and sacrifices (over 4 million lives were lost during the migration); after much strangling and many fatalities, we finally broke free of the quandary at the hands of British and Hindu rulers. After independence, we have shown remarkable progress in many areas despite having rulers who placed personal interests over national interests, who never really had to face the trauma of poverty, sickness, injustice, or leaving their loved ones behind to inhabit a land with no promises. Yet we did not give up and made a nation out of it. We did not fail as our current leaders try to put it, to solicit more and more aid to gratify their own greed. In our short history we have never been blessed with a true leader after our founder, and yet imagine our courage, we did not break down, we moved on and on. And we never really looked for shortcuts to this existence, we have paid plenitude.

We have now been presented with yet another aid package from your country which will be financed by American taxpayers money, which is the right of American citizens and on which we have got no claim. To your surprise neither do we need it to solve our problems. We do NOT need it. We have been seasoned to rely on our own resources, our own means; because at the end of the day this money will not be utilized for our poor nation it will land somewhere you cannot imagine its terminus to be. Period.

Let us give you a reality check, as the voice of our Pakistani country men and as a friendly gesture to the fellow citizens of U.S. who have a right to know. In all veracity this little aid which comes with a lot of dictation, will be utilized to finance foreign lavish trips of our government personnel who will take approximately 200 personnel including their family members to luxurious places. It will be utilized to provide notorious yet special security services that we cannot afford, to people who are not even part of the government but somehow our democratic rulers are much obliged to flatter. The so-called economic development this new aid promises will definitely not materialize. We know this because this has been happening for the last several decades.

The so-called promises to create jobs for us will never be fulfilled, whereby this money would rather be utilized for expanding the job market within the USA for the American people, which itself is being hit by the worst recession in decades. Not only that, the conditions mentioned will destabilize our civil system, will cripple our autonomy, our existence, will rob our craftsmen and the population on the whole of their much deserved earnings, and in turn will fan more frustration. The ordinary Pakistani is already paying a heavy return against the lending of IMF. Our electricity, fuel and other bills have been incremented, and those too over the dictation of the IMF. The Kerry Lugar Bill does not attempt to bring any solution for our challenges at all, instead, it will be sucking blood from our innocent population in the name of few miscreants who are not a part of us in the first place, in the name of a war that didn’t belong to us by any means and was imposed on us. Are we really attempting to build peace in here? Who are we fooling in the name of amity?

Islamic Republic of Pakistan is an independent country, which means that we are fully capable to take care of our needs, self reliant and complacent like Islam teaches us to be. We do not rely on shortcuts for realization of our needs. By the grace of our creator, we have been seasoned to work hard and achieve the impossible. The elite on powerful positions do not in anyway represent the opinion of general public. In their sinister yet sadly successful efforts, public is kept so busy in their basic problems that they never really get to question them on where was the Aid money utilized and why was it even asked for in the first place.

Its time the U.S realized that and leave the treachery of aiding us on the face and stabbing us at our backs. As the voice of enlightened Pakistanis, let us assure you, we will be delighted if the same money is utilized in your own country to deal with the recession it faces, to deal with the crimes soaring high with U.S. topping the list of most crimes in the world in a year. We will be glad if it is also spent on researches and precautionary measures on why so many Americans die with stress-related diseases every year, why life is getting tougher and tougher for an average American family and their social values are declining. We urge you to ask your Government  whether this aid package is really helping us, the fellow citizens of Pakistan, or are you helping our shameless government with their lifestyles and luxuries? Are you helping in setting up schools and better health care or fanning more extremism due to ill-utilization that our rulers will ensure and frustration that the brutal conditions on this sell-out package will bring for us? Are you actually helping to support our displaced countrymen or giving them more reason to hate you for financing our depraved rulers?

Your financial aid will not do us any good, since more than this amount already stays in the bank accounts of some of our narcissistic leaders, who occupy the ‘seats’ but are indifferent towards the distress of the majority. If you are still so keen to help us however, start sharing best practices, help us in establishing good governance, help us in making our systems more transparent, help us in medical researches, help us in building up universities to polish our youth else we really don’t need your help, we can help ourselves.

We also request you to ask your government on how this bill helps the American nation and us, when it will just land in a few pockets and exactly what will our unfortunate nation be faced with as conditions to comply, tragedy of which is unimaginable but appalling enough for us to reject any aid from U.S. at all! The Patriot act which has left your nation so vulnerable cannot be allowed to implement in Pakistan. Let us make it more apparent, we will not allow the U.S. access to any of our properties or our citizens. These citizens belong to a free country, accountable to none other than their own national laws and America as a knowledgeable and well-developed country should respect that. Our country is fully capable to deal with any miscreants itself and we have been doing it to our best since this so called war on terror started. We will not allow interference in any form whatsoever in the internal matters of our country, in its governance, in its institutions and above all in its authority that this bill carefully ensures. Our rulers may be dissolute, our nation is not.

Your country has not only deceived you in the name of wars to eliminate terror while being exceptionally involved in creating it, but it also has left many homeless, many innocent killed, many children orphans, many women widows, houses and hopes shattered. It hasn’t just betrayed us, it has betrayed you. And rest assured, the bullying tactics that your country specializes in will someday become a pit in itself. Haven’t we all started witnessing that it in front of our eyes already?

We however maintain, the U.S. citizens don’t deserve to be kept in darkness. Since World War II, your country has intimidated directly or indirectly at least 44 countries, if not more in the name of peace while creating havocs in real, distributing civil wars, turmoil, oppressing nations, breaking them into pieces, dictating policies that completely butcher the civil structure. As your infamous Secretary of State, Henry Kissinger once put it so correctly: “While being America’s enemy may be dangerous, being America’s friend is invariably fatal”. Who would comprehend that better than our nation, who has a history of 62 years being your ally and what did we get in return? Treachery, betrayal, deception?

What did the US get out of it; a deteriorating economy, a failed social structure, not to mention countless killed soldiers? It isn’t a surprise the same Kissinger who believed in brutal de-population of the world and whose policies your government still follows, also said “Soldiers are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy”. Decide for yourself, where this face will lead you? This hatred your government is mongering against your beautiful country is pushing you down the path of obscurity too, with a point of no return.

Ask yourselves, are the U.S soldiers really worthless herds of cattle to be thrown into hostile territories just so that a few in the Govt. can benefit by selling their weapons to the U.S Govt., which buys them from these local multi-million dollar businesses at such dear cost of American tax-payers’ blood-earned money? Decide yourself, where this will lead you as a nation? This hatred your Government is mongering against your beautiful country is pushing you down the path of obscurity too, towards a point of no return.

We as responsible citizens of Pakistan request the responsible citizens of U.S. to really ask their government on the effectiveness of wars it has waged in the past and what it plans to wage in future. For instance, what did the Americans get out of the Vietnam war? Did the Vietnamese attack them? What did the Americans get out of the War between Iraq and Iran? What did the American people get out of the recent war in Afghanistan and Iraq? Did the American people get a share of the oil wealth that is being ripped off the Iraqis by use of brutal force?

Think about the latest package of deceit this Kerry Lugar Bill brings for us, the ruthless face of which we are already seeing, yet you are kept so oblivious to. We respectfully ask you to convince your government to keep the same money to themselves and utilize it to benefit your ailing economy, or maybe it can be used to return the debt that US owes to China.

Only then will we as a nation be inspired by the high spirits on your nation’s conscientiousness, and will be stimulated to follow your footsteps and will be thankful to you for our generations to come.

Sincerely,

A Pakistani.

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The Harpoons And Pakistan’s American Mess

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The U.S. Invades and Occupies Pakistan

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The Sneaking US Occupation Of Islamabad

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  1. 2009 November 17
    ayub permalink

    ronald wayne wheeler sr.
    we got a smaller mirror image in our country of what you describe, but just as deadlier, our political leaders are selected by ‘them’, all corrupt to the ass.
    can you imagine when the big,strong brother (u.s) is infected by this disease,and k.o ed. what can happen to his weaker sibblings, like us?

    feel so sorry for the young american lads put in the harms way in afghanistan by american ‘hijacked’ admin for ‘their’ phoney war. same young lads who were helping stranded kashmiri earthquake victims with their chinooks in dangerous mountain missions.

  2. 2009 November 17
    ayub permalink

    well written,my views exactly though i could not have expressed it so well. m.s has summed it up precisely.
    karin has very valid suggestions for the expats and locals. to be observed and followed seriously.
    nice to know marrianne and bradysbeau views too, comforting to read from folks who are awake.
    yes wody,you are right, us aid is a bribe and an obligaation,as the writer put it, bribe for the corrupt politician, obligation for the masses.

  3. 2009 October 19

    Dear Pakalert,

    Bravo! Thanks for trying to open a dialogue with people in the US. In taking this action, you have revealed that you understand that our government is NOT NECESSARILY LISTENING TO ITS PEOPLE. It might surprise you to know that many people in the US have been protesting the actions of our government for decades. It might also surprise you and others to know that WE DID NOT ELECT BUSH. NEVER. HE NEVER WON. HE STOLE THE ELECTION. The people that helped him get his office are DEAD as are those who have attempted to investigate these crimes. (go to worldreports.org and read the coverage of the people killed by the Bush League–Connell and an FBI agent who tried to uncover the vote fraud are both dead because of these crimes)

    At the present time, a former FBI translator, Sibel Edmonds, is trying to make public the depth of corruption that she found in old phone recordings that she was given to translate. I am not sure of Sibel’s nationality, but she does speak Turkish and several other middle Eastern languages. She is a very brave woman who fought to tell the truth about America’s corrupt government. This is just another indication of how little control America has over its own politicians. They are not just stealing elections, they are stealing everything from everybody including Americans.

    Many Americans deplore the corruption and depravity of our government. We don’t want to be engaging in wars that have nothing to do with protecting our country. We don’t want our sons and daughters to be taught to be immoral via Zionist television shows. We don’t want to see people killed with vaccines that are not only ineffective, but dangerous. We want the truth about extraterrestrials and our government to be disclosed. We want freedom from the tyranny of banksters and corrupt politicians. We want freedom from all peoples of the world. I cannot speak for all Americans, but I can say that I personally do not believe that any country has the right to tell another country what to do UNLESS THERE ARE INNOCENT PEOPLE BEING KILLED. I believe that all countries are sovereign and have the right to practice their own religions, run their economies and govern their people as they see fit unless the people themselves are suffering. Neither the US, the UK, the EU or any other group should be telling sovereign countries how to rule themselves, run their families or conduct their moral, civic and religious life.

    Thank you for your letter. Not only will I pray that the peoples of the world can reach out to one another and halt the predations of rogue governments, I will pray for peace for all of us. If the world spent a fraction of what it spends on war to improve the lives of the peoples of the world, this planet would be a gem in the universe. It is up to us, the people of the world to BELIEVE THAT THINGS CAN BE BETTER. We need to emulate John F. Kennedy when he said, “I dream of things that have not been and say, ‘Why not?”" We need to be believe and push for a better world. We the people need to build bridges over the chasms created by governments until THOSE IN POWER UNDERSTAND THAT THEY CANNOT CONTINUE TO RUN THE WORLD THIS WAY. We have many peaceful ways to force change such as not buying things, work stoppages and other quiet tactics. We are many. They are few. They need us to keep their lifestyle going. All we need to do is to say, “No.”

    MK

  4. 2009 October 18
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Bhai jan,

    what a coincidence,
    thru my comments, perhaps you have seen what I had seen !
    sometimes, its curious to walk along with people upto their doorstep
    with your sixth sense on alert !
    The precedent comment of manoluival is quite ” revelatrice ”
    your two references are quite thoughtprovoking.
    I seek God’s refuge, indeed, there is no doubt !
    wassalam

  5. 2009 October 18
    Abdallah Jan permalink

    Rafay Kashmiri…………………..

    You do not see what I see, within the text that these different blogger write.
    hind-blogger is a plant, another name of kshatriya.

    His articles are a message to Pakistanis to forget Kashmir. Love is not his message.

    As for the others two newcomers. They are provoking you to write something against……………………………..so that the authority can get you on hate speech.

    Like I said in my previous article, that they had a few centuries head start. Its not within the capacity of any nation to oppose them, for it is pre-ordained by the Creator that HE will send Jesus (pbuh) to tackle the situation.

    “What they say from their mouth is bad, but what they conceal within their heart is worse” Qur’an.

    Supplicate this,”O Allah…I seek refuge with you from the affliction and mischief of Ad-Dajjal”.

    Assalamu-Elekum

  6. 2009 October 17
    manoliuval permalink

    Barack Obama is a monkey Hitler AMERICAN HEBREW IMPERIASLISTA

    1. International terrorist military attack against Romania
    In December 1989 the U.S., RUSSIA, GERMANY, ITALY, FRANCE, HUNGARY, AUSTRIA, BELGIUM, UK, Japan and others was attacked ROMANIA to Bilderbergers ORDER FOR DESTRUCTION OF ROMANIA AND ROMANIA FINANCIAL enslavement.
    Accused U.S., Israel, Russia, Great Britain, Holland, Belgium, Japan, France, Germany, Italy, Canada, Iceland, Norway, Greece, Spain, Hungary terrorist military attack against Romania in December 1989 for dismantling, looting, destruction and ROMANIA extermination of the Romanian people.

    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31152/International_terrorist_military_attack_Romania_I/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31150/International_terrorist_military_attackRomania_II/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31148/International_terrorist_military_attackRomania_III/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31142/International_terrorist_military_attack_Romania_IV/

    2.State terrorism INTERNATIONAL
    INTERNATIONAL state terrorism is planned, organized and financed by Bilderberg MASONIC GROUP and military support, media and Finance A NATO countries to attack states and peoples FOR looting, destruction and enslavement, in order HEBREW Planetary Colonization

    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31131/State_terrorism_INTERNATIONAL_I/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31129/State_terrorism_INTERNATIONAL_II/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31128/State_terrorism_INTERNATIONAL_III/
    http://www.disclose.tv/members/viewvideo/31126/State_terrorism_INTERNATIONAL__IV/

  7. 2009 October 17
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    D.I.D,
    thanks
    I did use ” even “Alaska , knowing that Alaska being colonised and now polluted,
    with atrocious military & Industial garbage !

    Well, all canadians are certainly not crusaders, atleast the times have evoluted,
    actually I alluded at the arrival of American Army General asking his troups to work
    in afghanistan recruiting men for Jesus, of course with all those heavy ultra modern
    arms, tanks, drones, & chemical bombs. Naturally when you say crusaders, u don’t
    mean non-crusaders, normal, handicap-free, healthy guys !!
    The rest of your comment is quite frank open, interesting and to the point,
    your sincerity should’nt be doubted.

  8. 2009 October 17
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Hindblogger,

    well, true that today hatred is more than love, but love is there however,
    our choice & decisions are manipulated by ourselves, God’s existance
    cannot be manipulated, as black remains black, a colour has to remain a
    colour. When we choose to like a colour, we must not hate other colours,
    this is where, we are quite often, mistaken and fall prey to the disasters !!

  9. 2009 October 17
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Karin Friedemann,

    a comprehensive analysis, yes Pakistanis and muslims must
    develop a sense of priority with a concrete viable strategy,
    living in the States.
    My Goodness, your comment, I could have just put my name on it !!

  10. 2009 October 17
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Ronald Wayne Wheeler sr,

    it is indeed alarming and worrisome, for everyone living on this planet.
    reminds me what I have read about 1 & 2 WWs and doctrines specific to
    the protagonists of all boards in this regard.

  11. 2009 October 17

    Once again- someone said the same words. Common man wants to live in peace, common man do not hate and do not know much about what is happening inside white/black houses.

    I agree with RONALD but again, he is also blaming someone and now this is ISRAEL. I do not know what fruit will come out of it. It is WASHINGTON and TEL AVIV…why slaughtering millions for this ?

    I mean- even if this is true that few people in TEL AVIV are playing some games- why don’t you tacke that much…what is use of a genocide ? No religion preaches this and no civilized world advocates this OR

    OR these two factors are pseudo..there is NO GOD and CIVILIZED is jus a word.

  12. 2009 October 16
    Ronald Wayne Wheeler Sr. permalink

    People of this world, please understand what I am about to write….
    The average American does not want war with anyone! The PEOPLE’S
    GOVT. is under the control of ISRAEL! Our nations politicians, both in the states and federal are either Zionest or controled by the Zionest! We have non Zionest traitors just like any other country.
    They make the laws and decissions to have wars.They have them Army!
    If you wish peace in the world, Israel must be destroyed! Not the land but the Ashkenazi ( Europian Jew) before ANYTHING will change. We will always have wars, but they will be enternal and up to the peoples of those countries to handle their own affairs.
    If you do not wish these facts to be shown, then bend over and kiss your butt good-bye because the longer you wait, the quicker you will
    be a slave of ISRAEL and Zionissum. You do have one other choice,
    help the American peoples to over throw our Zionist jailers!
    Regards,
    Ronald Wayne Wheeler Sr., Oregon, USA

  13. 2009 October 16

    Americans cannot really help you because they cannot help themselves. They are the most politically illiterate (misinformed) people on the planet. If you want to help America to stop oppressing Pakistan, then tell all those Pakistani ex-patriots living in America to become politically active with local and national movements against the Zionist Lobby. Instead of spending so many thousands making “dawah” just to collect shahadas (and then emotionally abandoning the American converts), use that money to actually make friends with Americans and organize politically. T

    here are many seeds planted to root out the corruption in US politics but there simply is not enough manpower to get the work done (collect the signatures, make the phone calls, fundraise, educate). Pakistanis are in general well informed but useless. All they do is work, pray, eat and sleep, and they never talk to people who are not from Pakistan.

    By getting involved with Americans who are trying to liberate their country (any political party is fine), Pakistanis can learn the techniques of how a democratic republic is run. In America there are no genuine leaders. Change can only happen when Americans including immigrants start demanding an end to foreign aid. The Libertarian party is probably the best place to find people with strong feelings against paying taxes combined with strong family ethics. On the other side of the political spectrum, there are those anti-war/anti-Zionist activists who are spearheading divestment movements and boycotts against Israel and against war and are very active on American campuses. If the Pakistani and Muslim student groups would HELP THEM, they would have a lot more numbers to balance the power of the Jewish/Zionist student groups and lobbies.

    There needs to be more Pakistanis and Muslims attending the Republican conventions and keeping track of the slimeball lobbyists instigating hatred against Islam by distributing Zionist propaganda within the Republican party membership. If someone simply spoke up and created an internal argument, the Zionists would not have so much freedom and confidence. There also need to be Muslims and Pakistanis in the Democratic Party, to work with the Obama administration and create counter-pressure against his Zionist advisors.

    Professional people need to work on raising money for campaigns to prosecute Zionist lobbyists and create organizations for this purpose. Nothing is going to change without your direct participation.

  14. 2009 October 14
    D.I.D. permalink

    – Hindblogger – I was reffering to you because during my argument with Jan, I mentioned that I encountered an Indian blogger in the past who claimed that he wanted peace and an end to the ethnic/religious tension that prevails on the Indo-Pak Subcontinent. This was a while back; it was your response to an article called “Is America at War with Islam?” He responded by saying that it isn’t true, that the Indian blogger must be trying to lull the Muslim nation into a false sense of security. But now that you are both here, I can say with proof that at least one common person in India (I’m sure there are many, many others) wants peace with Pakistan and all Muslims.

    – Rafay Kashmiri – Thanks, glad to see that we are on the same page. But be carefull – Alaska is an American state, that was bought as a colony by the US from Russia and there was no economic/military shananigans there.
    Also, I have read your previous entry and I’m a little upset. I’m a Christian Canadian; Canada being a painfully resolute US ally; but I am certainly NOT a Crusader! Indeed, I hate those right-wing Christian zealot wackos with a passion. But it is silly to try and paint whole nations and peoples with one colour or another. Just because a country has soldeirs occupying an Islamic country, that does not mean that every single man, woman, and child in the offending nation is a Crusader/Zionist/infidel that single mindedly wishes to destroy Islam and Muslims and reject God. No! There is widespread opposition to America’s imperialism even within it’s own Empire. But like I said, American and Western democracy is dead, because all decisions are made by neocon corporate lobbyists in Washington, London, Canberra and Ottawa, and our elected leaders merely play along or do not get into what little power public office still has.
    So even though many of the so-called “Crusader” nations wish this to stop, we won’t have our word unless we march on our respective capitals and push the tyrants of the West out and reinstall democracy. Hopefully, peaceful protests will suffice to this end.

    But if not, well……

  15. 2009 October 14
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    D.I.D,

    yes, you did good to mention Latin American episode, identical to American the
    catastroph else where, Arab countries, far east, southeast asia, africa even Alaska
    everywhere American calamity. was and is present, like a plague !!

  16. 2009 October 14

    @ Marianne

    If you feel bad by going through entiments here- please leave the stats Rafay provided, but there is ONE golden question which you can meditate on..Have you ever asked your leaders, what are they doing in Afghanistan?

    I am sure if you search for answer [s]- you will be a changed person. Because whatever you are watcing here is not ALL biased minds, punching keys with rage.

    @ Rafay

    We never know the truth- we can never know who plays what, why and where. But this world is more full of hate than love. This is why sometimes I feel that there is no GOD at all. Someday, we will discuss on this issue too. Marianna may be a common US citizen with patriotic setniments as you and me have for our people and country. But white remains white and black remains black be it is is INDIA or PAKISTAN.

    @ D.I.D

    I could not understand – look to the one who proclaimed that he is a common Indian man.
    But yes, I am an Indian and I tried by best to express myself with colorless glasses. I do not know how much successful I am [was] but I am happy that atleast we have some common point of agreement.
    There are more points which you fill find …many people will agree..

    1. That our own dogs bites us.
    2. That hate and biased setup- pushes us to this day that even after fighting 3 wars, there is a siatution where both are suffering.
    3. USA is stringholder but perhaps now it may have to face some tough times as amendments in K.L bill has been reduced and China has shown some color to India after PAK PM visited Beijing.
    In nutshell- we are not living in emocracy but imperialism …and in this setup, if you have power- you are ruling those who have not.

  17. 2009 October 13
    D.I.D. permalink

    Ah, this post is le mot juste. Perfectly and eloquently written. Pakistan is an independent and sovereign nation-state and the USA should respect it as such. If the American people see this post, I’m sure at least some would heed it’s message.
    But, unfortunately, the USA’s rulers don’t respect anyone’s independence. Also, the IMF and US monetary aid is not just Pakistan’s problem or is it a strictly Islamic greivence. Chile, Argentina, Bolivia, Cuba, and others (these are just the Latin American ones!) have all had their governments overthrown or bought out by the USA via the IMF and the CIA in the past, because they refused to play by Washington’s economic and geopolitical rulebook. Any country that refuses to surrender it’s sovereignty to America and refuses to become it’s puppet is either punished economically, (in the cases of France and Canada) internally, (as in the cases of Chile, Iran, and Pakistan) or militarily. (in the cases of Iraq and maybe Iran next)
    While the common Americans would no doubt feel for Pakistanis if they knew the truth, as how most common people feel towards each other, don’t forget that the USA is no longer a democracy and is ruled by an economic elite. So although the West feels for you, it is impossible for us to do anything to properly help you until the corporatist/crusader elite are permanently removed from power.

    I’m happy to see so many familiar pen names!

    - Hindblogger – we both share the idea that the common man wishes only for peace. You supported me once before on that notion, thanks!

    - Abdallah Jan – although we have sparred over ideology, I’m content that you recognize the truth about Americans with regards to their corrupt government. Same goes for Westerners and Indians as well. Also, if you wish to know the identity of the Indian blogger who I said wished only for peace, a claim that you refuted as an ‘Indian deception’, look to the one who proclaimed that he is a common Indian man.

  18. 2009 October 13
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Marianne,

    let me tell you frankly what Americans are doing to the world’s peace,

    1) Americans with allies crusaders have committed Genocides of
    -1.4 millions of Iraqi women children & youth & divided Iraq into 4 parts !
    -1.8 millions of Afghani women, children & youth killed and erased 347 villages with their
    population from the map !
    - You know well how Israelis are exterminating Palestinians !!
    - Actually, American are killing women, children & families in North of Pakistan by
    bombarding thru drones attacks ( un-manned aircrafts), throwing bombs on civilians
    targets. The North of Pakistan is destroyed by Americans, Fata, the border belt, free buffer
    zone is infested by US, Indo-israeli trained terrorists, financed, equipped & protected by
    US, Indo Israeli troups stationed in Paktia and Gerdez, training terrorst Talibans in 21
    Indian consulates stablished in entire afghanistan.

    2). Americans are working as a discrete mafia alongside with Pakistan’s corrupt PPP failed
    Govt. they are fake & Godless, anti-God, immoral evil, the funds are systematically
    swindled into bank accounts of few politicians of the ruling party, & President
    himself has the hold on funds, Auditor General of Pakistan will give you suspicious reports
    of funds destinations, no funds ever entered Pakistan, and spent thru Govt on any
    institutions. In the north , schools are demolished by Indo.-israeli trained terrorists,
    using fake Taliban’s name & the local Provincial Govt was involved as a communist &
    anti-God Political Party called ANP.

    3). How can you give guarantee to US citizens that their money is been spent on
    ligitimate projects & not buying luxurious and bomb-proof car for ministers, How can
    you gurantee Pakistani people, supposedly, recipient of any such funds.

    4. You hav’nt asked about World Bank and IMF role in destroying Pakistan’s Financial
    back bone. The are abused in promoting International terrorism within Pakistan,
    US will be sending in nearly 34.000 troups, India’s poverty striken Army is about
    125.000 doing what in Afghanistan ? who is paying their logistics, salaries, food, petrol,
    health, I believe its afghan drug money which is entirely handled by CIA and FBI, you
    must know that.
    Have you ever asked your leaders, what are they doing in Afghanistan?
    help stablishing word of God ? or drugs, power hegemony and with mafia gangs of
    Nato/US/Israel/Indian armies, massacring genociding civilians thru terrorism imposed
    on them.

  19. 2009 October 12

    Topic was not on religion my dear and you spent whole time telling me about Islam and teahcings and about you great ideas of other religions and you self judged everyone inferior and makes yourself above all. Well- I never liked to comment on religions..as I think this is subjective issue and should be left to individual to handle.

    @ Marianne

    It is not that easy as we think – only coming days will tell us how USA will bent forwarded. K.L bill should be amended, this is what Pakistan army and Govt. is saying because they do not want to stand accountable. They do not want any supervisory team to whom they answer where they spent.

    Marianne- your words once again shows how innocent a US citizen is. You do not know what USA is doing in Aghan land ? They are not helping Pakistan in anyway. Had US helping PAK then why putting K. bill ?

    Obama could not find Al-Qaeda…but he find Taliban to fight with. Why ? It depends on Afghans what fashion they want to live in. Poor people are threat to US ?

    This is more complicated that in looks but matters to me is that this is US TAX Money which is being spent along with lives…on something which is not clear to people.

    Leave alone India, China, Russian and Pakistan.

    OR

    USA wants to make a good military base in name of Al-Qaeda and wants to sit on heads of these countries.
    Even then it is OK- But where drones are failing, bills are rejecting, forces are dying.. for what all this ???

  20. 2009 October 12

    hindblogger…………If my language was course or its possible that you may have not understood what I wrote, I apologize.

    I may be guilty of Islamic ethics, where the Prophet of Islam said to address your opponent in a better and superior way.

    No way in my sane mind will I criticize your Scriptures or your Rishis, that would be also a voilation of Qur’anic edicts, where we are told that Allah has send 124,000 Prophets in this world to guide human kind to path of Allah.

    I have mentioned to you to study your own Holy Scriptures where it is absolutely forbidden to worship animals.

    If you have knowledge of your own Holy Scriptures, you will become better man and come closer to Muslims.

    Religion guides man/women towards morality.

    The problem we face is the monopoly by clergy in the deviated interpretation of a given verse. This has been true with Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism, Buddhism, due to non-availability of text by poor, that could not afford to buy expensive books.

    Muslims, however, were luckier. They were provided with Qur’an from early start. Muslims do not rely on clergy for interpretation. That is why there is no organized religious organization in Islam, as compare to other religion.

    Muslims have challenge their rulers on their interpretation of religion, hence the constant struggle.

    But things have changed. People now can afford to buy books all over the world. With the advent of internet, information and disinformation is on the rise, and its free.

    People have now challenged their own clerics of the wrong interpretation of their books. Churches are now being abandoned. Christians do not believe any more that Jesus is son of God. Now they are becoming Atheist or they revert to Islam.
    Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world, especially ‘the west’.

    Islam guides on every aspect of life. Muslims lives are guided by Islam, hence the quotation of Qur’anic or Hadith verses on and off, so as to affirm the stance or step taken.

    If you take guidance from your own Holy Scriptures, you would be lining side by side with the Muslims. That would be force to recon with.

    Your daily practice is, however, away from the Vedas and Puranas teaching. Hence in direct confrontation with the Muslims. Thanks to Clergy/Brahmins who control the interpretation and action per mass.

    The other aspect of the Holy Scripture is that there are Future Prophesies. Once you are aware of such prophesies, you can relate an event to something you have read. That is why you will find Muslims quoting Qur’an and Hadith, on and off.

    This was the reason I wrote in my previous piece, go read your own scriptures.

    I hope I am some help to you in this matter…………

    Rafay Kashmiri…..

    I am pleased that you have understood my apprehension

    kshatriya threw the towel in. No I have not heard of him.

    Assalamu Elekum.

  21. 2009 October 11

    American troops are not there to harm the Pakistanis. I think they were put there because of the failed attempts of Pakistani leaders to control terrorism in the north part of your country. They cannot do anything unless your government approves of it.

    I wish there was a way to guarantee that the citizens of Pakistan get the aid money sent to them.

    As for both countries, it is true that both governments pass laws and make decisions without the permission of the people. The only way to change this is to change or remove the government, and start over.

  22. 2009 October 11
    hindblogger permalink

    @ Jan

    —————-Its beyond your comprehension what I/we are talking about.———-
    Although above lines was sufficient to express your reserveness as I am not muslim and you do not want me to say anything on a religiou discussion. That I understand but..

    1. What was need of otherlines- I never commented on muslim faith, holy quran or any aayat.
    You too was not expected to write anything..or just you do not care ?

    Well- still feeling that I should write someting on your noble post because you prayed for me.

    My Take: Reading scriptures had never helped anyone- never helped any race or religion. Had this been not true then SWARGA/JANNAT will be only open for litterates.
    It is better to refrain insulting people who do not come from your faith. If I had commented on your religion/faith/practice….then you can reply accordingly.

  23. 2009 October 11
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Abdallah jan,

    nice to meet you again ,
    I cannot but agree with few of your observations
    you have indeed widened the subject by bringing in ” Sunamis “.
    I hope, Hindblogger will learn a lot by our mutual exchange
    of views & observations, both raul & hindblogger seems quite keen
    observant,
    Btw, are you still on the thread with the confused Khushtariya Ganga’s pollution,
    have seen him on other bloggs.

  24. 2009 October 11
    Abdallah Jan permalink

    Rafae Kashmiri, good to see back on the board…

    I will not rebuttal your piece however, due to reasons, that I can not share…
    Too sensitive…
    But I request to read just outline brief history from Annunaki and his two sons Enlil and Enki and their hybrid children in Sumaria and Babylon down to Nimrod and his wife Samiramis, Nebuchadnezzar, Osiris/Dionysus, Horus and his brother Set in ancient Eygpt on one side and then Abraham, and his 13 sons from 4 wives. Ponder over the Supplication of Abraham (as) while erecting the Kaaba, its approval. follow the events that is related to Isaac (as) Jacob (israel)(as) and stop at Joseph and later David (as) and Soloman (as) on the other side for detailed search.
    This game started from Annunaki and will end with Jesus 2nd entry.
    Like I said they had few centuries head start, it was only the Prophet (pbuh) who out smarted them, with the help from Allah. It was the early Muslims that were victorious due to their Faith and Deeds.
    During Usman’s (ra) rule Shaitan went into full force in dividing the Ummah.
    Since then there have been constant struggle to now.
    The existing force will be only completely defeated by Allah alone. The Ummah will resist with whatever means available to them. That will only slow them and not completely defeat them.
    This has been attested in Qur’an and Hadith.
    While confronting Ibn-Syed, Ummar (ra) was very angry at his response and asked the Prophet (pbuh) permission to chop him. The Prophet (pbuh) replied in the negative and said, “If he is Ad-Dajjal, you cannot kill him. If he is not Ad-Dajjal, there is no use to kill him”.
    It is pre determined that only Jesus (as) will have the honor to kill the Ad-Dajjal.
    Muslims at the moment are facing Ya’juj and Ma’juj, that is busy making path clean for Ad-Dajjal. They have with them most destructive tech at their disposal.
    They control food and water. They control weather. They control every leader on earth save a few.
    The Acceh (Indonesia) tsunami was not natural episode. It was man made. Kashmir earthquake was the aftermath of the same tsunami. Bam’s (Iran) and China’s earthquake was man made. Katrina was man made. Allah (SWT) allowed it to happen.
    Coming top Pakistan, Allah will purge Munafiqeen from Muslim countries first.
    But surely time is near. The negative forces is far behind their schedule and are unable to subdue the poor and wretched fighters, who only recognize ‘Allah’ as supreme ‘Power’, and that is their secret.
    The Elite of Muslim countries may not be even Muslims. They may be Muslims in Disguise as was the case of ‘Ataturk’ in Turkey. He was the follower of Sabatai Zevy, that is why he throw out ‘Arabic’ as language from Turkey. He ordered Turkish women to throw away ‘Burqa’ and ‘Hijab’ and made agreement with the Brits to abandom ‘Khillafat’ forever.
    The Dajjali forces has been very successful in their propaganda and misinformation and disinformation against Islam. The only stumbling block is the Muslims who believe in it. They have to de moralize and divide them by such means. Their latest propaganda to the non Muslims who may be interested in reverting is that the Muslims worship ‘moon god’ since they can see moon depicted on some flags and some Mosques. Like wise, five corner star is the star of ‘Behomet’ whom the ruling Elite invoke for worship and help. Pentagon is also designed with same perception.
    Islam does not recognize symbolism, nor care for astrology. Sun, Moon and Stars are sign of Allah, and it should not be worshiped or be depicted on walls or piece of cloth.
    If you remember what the Prophet (pbuh) said, about forces that will come out from Khorasan. They will have ‘Black Flags’ with no symbols.
    Green and white color is fine, along with ‘Shahada’ inscription as in Saudi Flag, without the sword.
    This is the Flag which none of Pakistani impotent political parties dare to challenge, with their own pathetic stupid and idiotic flags.

    Hindblogger—————–

    Its beyond your comprehension what I/we are talking about.

    Go read first, start with your own Holy Scriptures that is absolutely against Idol worship. Stop worshiping animals. The day you stop worshiping animals you will know what we are talking about.

    May Allah help you in this path. Amen.

    Assalamu elekum.

  25. 2009 October 10

    Dear Pakistani,

    You erroneously assume that the American public is more in control of its own destiny than Pakistani public.

    How sad that you believe that writing letters to a foreign nation will somehow effect change in your own.

  26. 2009 October 10
    Rafay Kashmiri permalink

    Abdullah Bhai jan,

    few of your instructions are unrealistic and far from Prophet’s SAW
    practical aswah-al-hassanah !

    1. Addressing American public is both, moral & strategical, i.e informing, warning
    them of the foul games their leaders are playing not only with them, but the whole
    humanity, they must protest, revolt and sanction those barbarians genociders !
    on the other hand, those nazi American Leaders be isolated from their own electors
    by denouncing them, therefore, weakening their power !

    2. Our Rasool SAW, dialogued with Islam’s most atrocious enemies, made truces with
    them, & finally acceded to victories after victories.

    3. It is absolutely in accordance with Quran and sunnah that we not only rely on Allah’s
    final help, but also, on our sincere efforts in that direction i.e. to achieve respectful
    solution with honest and good intentions, Allah is omniscient, He appriciates your
    intelligent logic, convincing your enemy to come to reason, if not then Booooooom !
    Badr, Uhud, Khandaq, Kheyber, Hunain, till the victory of Mecca !

    4. Americans are waking up, not because they saw Masih Mauood of rabwah
    in their dreams, OPINIONs have mobilised people, human interaction & dialogue,
    you see, bhai jan ?

    5. Shaitaan, devil must be replied with human force of charater, opinion, firm &
    resolute decisions. what ever Allah’s final judgement, will be acceptable.

    6. Oh please don’t take off your hats on devil’s plannings !!

    7. last three para graphs, you have completly forgotten that Shaitaan exists and has
    enormous power, you can easily observe, is it written anywhere in Quran to wait for
    2nd version of Jesus, in the meantime let Americans comit genocides of Iraqians and
    Afghans, and Israel doing the same with Palestinians ? or let Indians doing the same
    with Kashmiris ?

    8. Next, you will ask to write the whole Quran-Al-Hakeem on the flag, ! come on Bhaijan!
    Pakistani Flag is special, the most universally representative display of Allah’s univers
    3/4 is lush green = fertility, 1/4 white = minorities ( not MQM ) as for Crescent & star, the creator of the most beautiful & sobre flag were scientific people, according to
    ” astrological” astronomy, every three months a star approaches the crescent with such
    precise distance, as displayed in our flag, this phenomena is called ” affiliation of stars ” or
    approachement of stars (?). OUR FLAG SPEAKS FOR ITSELF, THE BEST IN THE WORLD,
    WAS DESINGED IN HEAVENS.

  27. 2009 October 10

    @Bradysbeau

    It is good to wish good but this is all we can do. Even after saying so you could not refrain yourself from holier than thou attitude.

    So it is up to the little folks like you —–Yes, this is so because little folks had always created havoc. I am sure you are good in history.

    If you think you mean little folks for Asians- then US is at mercy of ASIA.
    If you think we Indians are little folks- then you should not feel bad about it- there seems to be little pinch of chilly.

  28. 2009 October 9
    Bradysbeau permalink

    As one of the Americans that you speak to, I give you high praise and am forwarding this to all I know. But like you, I am only one person. I wish the world could change for all of us and the Politicians you refer to wowuld be honest and caring of this Earth and all her inhabitants. But I am a realist and I know this will never happen. So it is up to the little folks like you & I to change the small part of this world that we live in. Well said and I thank you.

  29. 2009 October 9

    Jan !
    What a name man !!

    You give quotes from Holy Quran and I am no one to write a alphabet on it- so lets not debate on religion and scriptures.

    Explainations of Holy scriptures are always subjective- and this is why people get carried away by religious leaders- otherwise I found them very simple and to the point.

    You wrote about US citizens are awaked and they know what their Govt. is doing with them. I wish this could be true and I wish they could know this. May peace be with those who are suffering due to no fault if theirs…Amen !!

    You wrote one line ————- Use your head and see how can you play the game to your advantage…….

    Jan- I am a common man of India, I think like you. I do not represent my country or any poicy here. I represent myself…so YOU becomes little odd. But if you want to talk about Govt. then they are doing good job in Afghanistan and Blauchistan and I am sure they will be using their heads with full speed.

  30. 2009 October 9
    Abdallah Jan permalink

    May I ask who is forcing you to accept this Bill?
    Not the American citizen. There are as innocent as any other citizen of the world. They are also helpless as others. They are also going through same trauma as you.
    Instead of appealing the American citizen, which I doubt will receive this message, supplicate to Allah, the rightful supplicatee, He hears, to do otherwise is Kufr.
    Leaders every where are corrupt, not just in Pakistan.
    Have patience, like the Qur’an says,”The Shyateen planned, and Allah planned, and Allah’s plan is much better”.
    American citizen are waking up. They now know that Muslims are innocent of what they were accused of. I am one of them.
    The unruly forces had a head start of centuries. Its not within the power of average innocent American citizen to stop what’s coming. It was very well planned and my hats off to them for the execution of this plan. Now you are on your own. Use your head and see how can you play the game to your advantage.
    Allah said in Qur’an,’I will release forces upon mankind, that nobody will be able to fight, except MYSELF”.
    Its not within your power to fight what Allah has released, but you can most certainly steer yourself out from harm, by outsmarting them and wait for second entry of Jesus (AS) to relieve mankind from suffering.
    Please replace the Crescent and Star with Shahada narrative from Pakistani Flag.
    Muslims are accused of worshiping moon god and the five corner star is the star of Behomet (Shaitan,s great great grandson) whom the Elite worship.

  31. 2009 October 8
    hindblogger permalink

    I am impressed and I wish this could be seen by as much as possible. But what make me little tongue twisting is that is voice of a common man…do you think that POLITICIAN also sings this tune. Usually they don’t .

  32. 2009 October 7
    Sohail Ahmed permalink

    Yes. In addition, we must understand the philosophy of debt-servicing trap which our nation has been asked to get itself caught in. The more loans are under-utilized through corruption and extravagance, higher the debt goes eroding the probability of higher GDP, and deeper the nation sinks as the time rolls.

    It is time for honour-loving people in all walks of life (bureaucracy, judiciary, army, intelligentsia etc) to start giving the check-mate to traitors, aliens and the corrupt ones and rid this beautiful land from pests.

    It is now or never.

  33. 2009 October 7

    Basic point you make is that Pak politicians are corrupt. What else is new? Same everywhere. US aid is really a bribe and obligation to be repaid. What else is new?

  34. 2009 October 7
    M.S permalink

    Very beautifully written… Pakistani emotions delivered with exact precision
    hats off to the writer…Well Done!

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